Showing posts with label The Trump Depression. Show all posts
Showing posts with label The Trump Depression. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 12, 2025

How Trump got elected

On my Test Blog (from 2021) in a post titled "About 8 results", evidence that a Google search for Keynes's phrase "the greatest age of the inducement to investment" turned up 8 results.

Here on this blog (in 2023) a post showing that a Google search for my phrase "debt and civilization" turned up 9 results.

On this blog yesterday, a post showing that my Google search for Milton Friedman's sentence (showing how easy it would be to create a depression) turned up 6 results.

Almost no one is satisfied with our economy these days. But you wouldn't know it from the search results noted above. 

You want to know how Trump got elected? Everyone thinks they know what's wrong with our economy. But only about 6 people know, 8 or 9 at most.

Saturday, August 2, 2025

Trump's economic strategy

If by some chance you hear Trump take credit for reducing the federal deficit, it will be due to the revenue from his tariffs. Be sure to give him credit, also, for the revenue flowing out of the private sector, and for the economic slowdown that follows.

If the tariff revenue is anywhere near enough to make a dent in the deficit, the resulting slowdown will give new meaning to the word severe

His plan appears to be to shift the deficit burden onto the private sector. Trump seems to think that by calling for lower interest rates, he will make this affordable. 

It will not work. The private sector is already too deep in debt. That's why we had the financial crisis of 2008. It took ten years of recovery, then, before we saw even a hint of a decent economy. I predicted that improvement, but it was far weaker than I expected.

Adding to the debt of the private sector is not a viable plan. The outcome will be the Trump Depression.

Thursday, May 1, 2025

What is this mysterious "something"?

From Trump's "100 days" interview with Terry Moran:

Trump: "Look, you're trying to say something's gonna happen, Terry. Nothing's gonna happen."

What is this mysterious "something"? I took it to mean "recession" because that's what I think, the r-word that no one wants to say, which I expect to become a full-blown Depression probably before the end of 2025. But I wasn't part of that interview.

Before the words "something's gonna happen" Terry Moran is asking about the tariff on China. Moran says "Your Treasury secretary said we basically have an embargo on China." That's when Trump responds "Look, you're trying to say something's gonna happen, Terry. Nothing's gonna happen." So it looks like the "something" would be a result of the so-called "embargo".

That doesn't mean anything to me. So I googled what does an embargo cause?

Google's AI Overview responded:

An embargo, a government-imposed trade restriction, can cause several consequences, primarily impacting trade, economics, and potentially, foreign policy. It restricts the movement of goods and services, both in and out of a targeted country or region, leading to potential shortages, price increases, and disruptions in international commerce. 

Well, not a war, then. But there was this from r/CallOfWar, a subreddit for the World War II strategy game:

Q: Does anyone know what the point of trade embargo is? 

A: It reduces the decrease in your global popularity when you go to war with someone you've imposed a trade embargo on. 

Well, that makes more sense than what Trump said.

 

Yeah, I'm just going with "Depression".

Saturday, April 26, 2025

Trump's plan to reinvigorate the US economy: What you need to know


The lingo:

America’s 250th Anniversary

On July 4, 2026, America will celebrate the most important milestone in our country’s history—250 years of American Independence...


The leadership:

Under the President’s leadership, the Salute to America 250 Task Force (“Task Force 250”) has commenced the planning of a full year of festivities to officially launch on Memorial Day, 2025 and continue through July 4th, 2026.


And the plan:

The White House is engaging and encouraging the entire federal government, state and local governments, the private sector, non-profit and educational institutions, and every citizen across this country to join in this historic celebration.


Oh, and the link: America 250 - The White House. I almost forgot!

 

Monday, 28 April, an afterthought.

From "Social welfare in ancient Rome" at Imperium Romanum

"An important role in the overall Roman aid system was played by all kinds of holidays and state celebrations. Festive days in Rome occupied more than half of the year, about 182 feasts were celebrated in a more or less solemn way. There were one or two holidays for every working day. 

Well, you know, Trump is just getting started. He'll be finessing things, no doubt. He won't long be satisfied with 11 federal holidays.

Sunday, April 13, 2025

Engineering a depression

"The Trump Depression" by Robert Kuttner, 5 March 2025, at The American Prospect. The subtitle says "Donald Trump is on track to be the first president to deliberately engineer a severe depression." That was the first reference I found to Trump creating a depression. The statement is clear and, I think, correct. The goal is depression, and the intent deliberate.

The second reference to depression that I saw was S2E8 of "Have I Got News for You". About 8:50 into the video, Roy Wood Jr asks "What happens of Trump's tariffs don't work and America ends up in a depression?" And again, about 9:14 into the video, Roy Wood Jr asks: "If the depression hurricane is off shore, how close is it to landfall?" It is a comedy show, but Roy Wood Jr was expressing honest concern.

Don't fast-forward to the depression quotes. Watch the show, it's so funny. It's my new favorite show.

The third reference to depression is from "Smerconish" on CNN. Season 2025, the 12 April episode. At the end of the episode he shows a cartoon of Trump wearing a hat that says "Make America 1929 Again". It's perfect.

I'm glad the topic comes up once in a while because if we are going to have a depression, it is best not to be caught by surprise. Anyway, these things take time to develop. And if people believe Trump is creating a depression, and react negatively, there is time to change course. Of course, the reaction to Trump's policy would have to be strong and severe.


In the American Prospect article, Kuttner asks: "What in the hell does Trump think he is accomplishing?"

It's a good question. I have been waiting, focusing on the news, trying to understand what Trump's plan is, trying to understand how "tariffs" and "Greenland" and "bullying" and all the other pieces of his plan fit together. It finally struck me about two days ago: He's creating a depression. Thank you, Mr. Kuttner, for helping me see it.

Kuttner says: 

A related key question is whether Trump has any master plan for the economy here, or whether he is just batshit crazy. The evidence is that Trump’s effort to destroy the government reflects a certain malign consistency, but that his effort to destroy the economy is based on sheer ignorance and impulsivity.

It's not ignorance or impulsiveness. It can't be. It's a plan. A "deliberate" plan to create a depression. As Kuttner has it, "There are several distinct elements" to Trump's policy, "all cutting in the same direction, all interacting with each other, all needless." Together, they will create a depression.

Depression opens a door to the future that Donald Trump wants.

Trump wants regime change. He doesn't want democracy. He doesn't want to be restrained by the US Constitution. He wants to be a dictator -- "for one day," he said. Dictator for a short time, and then Emperor: Emperor of the Western Hemisphere: For now, Emperor of the US, Canada, Greenland, and Panama. Before long, no doubt, also Mexico and most or all of Central and South America. Willing to trade Gaza.

Why create a Depression? A depression will make it easier to get rid of the US Constitution. A depression will be the last straw, convincing an overwhelming majority of Americans that the existing US government is the cause of our economic problems and must be eliminated. They will torch the US Constitution and line up behind their Emperor.

But the proximate cause of our economic problems is excessive private-sector debt. The cause of that cause is that our economic policies encourage us to use credit, to help our economy grow.  Using credit to grow the economy works best when there is little accumulated debt. It does not work at all when we have been encouraged to use credit for 80 years and our accumulation of debt has become massive.


Required reading

First, read something that will give you a feel for how very good a good economy can be: From Time Magazine, Friday 31 December 1965: "We Are All Keynesians Now" at Brad DeLong's site. Or, if that title turns you off, read the first few paragraphs of Jude Wanniski's "The Way We Were":

... you have to have lived in the 1950s and 1960s to have experienced a good economy.

I want to be sure you know that for a very long time our economy has not been good. Wanniski says it well, but the Time article really makes you feel it.

Second, read page 30 from William E. Leuchtenburg's Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal, 1932-1940. I want to be sure you see that when a bad economy is very bad, people react as if the problem is political. Leuchtenburg tells us that

Henry Hazlitt proposed abandoning Congress for a directorate of twelve men.

He also quotes Barron's from 13 Feb 1933:

"Of course we all realize that dictatorships and even semi-dictatorships in peace time are quite contrary to the spirit of American institutions and all that," remarked Barron's. "And yet — well, a genial and lighthearted dictator might be a relief from the pompous futility of such a Congress as we have recently had. ... So we return repeatedly to the thought that a mild species of dictatorship will help us over the roughest spots in the road ahead."

Yes, you can change things by abandoning Congress. Yes, you can change things by abandoning the US Constitution. But if you want to change the economy, you need to do economic things. And if you want to improve the economy, then you must correctly understand what the problem is, what the economy's problem is, so that when you change economic policy the economy changes in the way that you want.

Friday, April 11, 2025

Understanding Trump's economic policy

From Robert Kuttner's The Trump Depression: "Donald Trump is on track to be the first president to deliberately engineer a severe depression." 

I agree with that statement. I expect depression. Depression opens a door to the future that Donald Trump wants.

Trump wants regime change. He doesn't want democracy. He doesn't want to be restrained by the US Constitution. He wants to be a dictator -- "for one day," he said. Dictator for a short time, and then Emperor: Emperor of the Western Hemisphere: For now, Emperor of the US, Canada, Greenland, and Panama. Before long, no doubt, also Mexico and most or all of Central and South America. Willing to trade Gaza.

Why create a Depression? A depression will make it easier to get rid of the US Constitution. A depression will be the last straw, convincing an overwhelming majority of Americans that the existing US government is the cause of our economic problems and must be eliminated. They will torch the US Constitution and line up behind their Emperor.

But the existing US government is NOT the cause of our economic problems. There is an economic cause.

Thursday, March 13, 2025

And now a few words from Milton Friedman

The Trump agenda, cut-cut-cutting the federal government, it's like we are married to it: for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse.

Milton Friedman wanted to say a few words:

Just as higher government spending can contribute to excessive monetary growth, so lower government spending can contribute to reduced monetary growth.

And also this:

There is strong evidence that a monetary crisis involving a substantial decline in the quantity of money is a necessary and sufficient condition for a major depression.

In recent posts we have seen the quantity of money running low, problematically low relative to GDP-at-actual-prices, and problematically low relative to accumulated non-federal debt. And not long ago we saw graphs showing

  • the low quantity of "base" money as a recurring problem;
  • federal debt running below-trend, contributing to the financial crisis and 2009 recession;
  • and the effects of changes in the M1-to-GDP ratio.

Milton Friedman wants you to be cautious and careful, Donald. So do I.

 

Ah, and something I didn't notice until just now: 

Coincidence? Sure, Donald. Keep thinking that, Mister I-don't-want-to-be-Herbert-Hoover.

Sunday, March 2, 2025

9-to-1 Against

Wrote myself a note this morning, 3:34 in the morning:

I have to look at the chances of Depression, the chances of Trump creating a depression with his cut-cut-cut.

So I googled Trump and the risk of depression.  I looked at the first page of results, and I was seriously disappointed. Of the 10 results on the first page, nine were about mental health -- either Trump's own, or ours being put at risk by his decisions.

Only one of the 10 results on the first page was about the kind of depression that could put our economy in the toilet for a lifetime. Only one of the 10 could look past the insanity of the moment and see a bigger problem. One out of ten, plus two related links for the Quora result. 

At East Asia Forum we have "Trump’s trade madness risks global depression if retaliation’s not measured". The article is focused on Trump's tariff policy. I've been studying the economy since 1977, but I never studied tariffs because the topic never came up. I couldn't even spell "tariff" until Trump made the topic relevant again. Google's AI Overview, Gaio, says

The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 was a law that raised tariffs on imported goods in the United States during the Great Depression. The law was intended to protect American businesses and farmers from foreign competition.

How it impacted the economy:

  • The law raised tariffs on agricultural imports and more than 20,000 imported goods 
  • It led to global trade declining by 65% 
  • It is widely blamed for worsening the severity of the Great Depression

The bullet points agree with what I think I know -- tariffs aggravated the decline of trade and made the Great Depression worse.

Hey, I think our massive trade deficits are a big problem, but I wouldn't go with tariffs. Other things are wrong, that need to be fixed. Applying the wrong solution is always, always, always  a bad thing to do.

The East Asia Forum article ties economic depression to tariffs. (Funny thing is, the word "depression" occurs only in the article's title.) My concern links economic depression to the Trump/Musk cuts in federal spending. I think both concerns are important, the tariffs and the spending cuts. And I think our concern, yours and mine, about the possibility of depression, economic depression, is strengthened by having two or more reasons to be concerned.

At Quora, "What is the likelihood of another Great Depression occurring due to President Trump's trade wars with China and other countries?" The question is about "trade war", about tariffs. Dan Cougherty expresses concern about a wide range of troubles pointing to recession or worse, including: deficit spending; income inequality; "systemic risk in the lending markets" around the time of the Great Recession; and the "lack of oversight" that created it. Comparable problems in finance are still with us. It was finance that made our 2009 recession "great". And excessive, unjustified confidence could easily do it to us again.

Again, at Quora: "Is there a chance of another Great Depression because of Trump?" Here, the answer focuses on tariffs and trade even though the question does not. Baba Vickram Aditya Bedi offers some good insights:

"Any manufacturing returning to the U.S. would take years well beyond the scope of the Trump presidency to even begin to matter to the macro American economy. However, the tariffs and loss of relationships with U.S. Allies and trading partners will have a relatively faster impact. The forced expulsion of migrant workers will have an even greater immediate impact."

The policies that boost US growth will take a long time to develop. The policies that undermine growth will will have their effects sooner. This combination of outcomes tends away from growth, and toward recession or depression.

As for the rest of these Google Search results, you and your mental health are on your own.

 

I would probably find better links if I kept looking. And I will. But it troubles me that almost no one seems to see the real disaster that threatens us: the Greater Depression. I know Trump said he "doesn't want to be another Hoover". And I even believe that he meant it. But his economics is not even close to understanding what must be understood, nor to doing what must be done.

Wednesday, December 4, 2024

Yadda yadda yadda, economic performance declines

Following up on yesterday's post. Here is the graph, again:

Graph #1: Financial Crises and Economic Growth

The Trump Musk DOGE plan to cut two trillion dollars of federal spending is a plan that will almost certainly create a financial crisis unless it is offset by a two-trillion-dollar increase in private-sector investment -- two trillion dollars in addition to the investment already planned for the year of federal budget cuts. That increase is not likely to happen.

Graph #2: The Red Line Shows a Two-Trillion-Dollar Increase in One Year

All of the investment shown on this graph since the first quarter of 2017, in total, adds up to less than two trillion dollars.

And again, as Milton Friedman said,

There is strong evidence that a monetary crisis involving a substantial decline in the quantity of money is a necessary and sufficient condition for a major depression.

You know how many times Google finds this Friedman quote on the internet? 8 times. Almost no one is focused on the problem of an insufficient quantity of money. But as Yoda says: You will be. You will be.

Thursday, November 28, 2024

I say again: The evidence is overwhelming

Milton Friedman didn't like too much money. But he also didn't like not enough money. In chapter 2 of Money Mischief he wrote:

There is strong evidence that a monetary crisis involving a substantial decline in the quantity of money is a necessary and sufficient condition for a major depression.

An insufficient quantity of money can cause a depression, Friedman says. If the "monetary base" grows too slowly it can cause a major downturn. In fact, that happened twice in the past hundred years:

Graph #1: Growth Rate of the Monetary Base
The downtrend before the Great Recession runs from 2001 to 2008
This graph is from 2014, when each series at FRED could have its own start- and end-date.
This graph replaces mine from 10 Feb 2021.

 

At Investor's Business Daily (27 Nov 2024) we read:

When Tesla (TSLA) CEO Elon Musk bounded onto the stage as President-elect Donald Trump's sidekick in the campaign's final stretch, the MAGA movement's anti-Washington mission suddenly broadened from taking down the "deep state" to slaying big government.

Putting up a target of at least $2 trillion in annual government spending cuts — one-third of federal outlays, excluding interest on the debt — Musk said living within our means would require that everyone "take a haircut." Accepting "temporary hardship," he said, would ensure long-term prosperity.

The carrot and the stick. Prosperity is the carrot, and a tasty one for voters whose primary concern is the economy. But a focus on federal debt will not solve the problem.

In the past month I have seen news articles wondering whether Musk meant a two trillion dollar cut in one year or ten. The consensus, among those articles, seems to be that two trillion over ten years is quite easily doable, and two trillion in one year is not doable. Now IBD is saying "at least $2 trillion in annual government spending cuts". That sounds like two trillion in one year to me. Apparently that's the plan, but I'm still not sure what Musk has in mind.

The Hill of 3 November 2024 reported:

“How much do you think we can rip out of this wasted, $6.5 trillion Harris-Biden budget?” Howard Lutnick, a Wall Street CEO and Trump’s transition team co-chair, asked Musk at the former president’s recent rally held at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

Without offering specifics, Musk said in response that he thinks “at least $2 trillion” in a brief moment that has since gained widespread attention online and drawn mixed reactions from budget world.

I got the impression from that, and from other reading, that Musk might not have been expecting the question and that the "$2 trillion" number was off the top of his head. 

I think Musk painted himself into a corner with that number. Since March of 2024, President Biden has been selling a plan to cut the budget by $3 trillion over 10 years. If Musk says it will take 10 years to cut the $2 trillion that he's talking about, then his plan is a 98-pound weakling compared to Biden's. Musk can't go with $2 trillion over 10 years. He has to say he can do it in one year. Musk painted himself into a corner.

It's a dangerous thing, the slipshod planning of trillion-dollar budget cuts. Does Musk's ego prevent him from admitting that his $2 trillion estimate was premature? Sure, there was a lot of excitement at that Madison Square Garden rally. But I have to ask: Would it be better for Musk to go ahead and cut $2 Trillion in just one year because that's what he said amid all the excitement? Or would a cautious and carefully worked plan that avoids disastrous unintended consequences be the better choice? 

I ask, because there is strong evidence that a monetary crisis involving a substantial decline in the quantity of money is a necessary and sufficient condition for a major depression. And because cutting $2 trillion from the federal budget in one year might just create the monetary crisis that brings a major depression upon us.

Given the supermassive federal debt that we have already, using Keynesian deficit-spending tactics to extricate ourselves from that next great depression will be neither quick nor tidy.

 

Rolling Stone, 13 December 2023 has said:

During his third trip to Iowa this month, Donald Trump warned that if he was not elected president in 2024, the U.S. would see its economy plunge into a “1929”-era depression. His words arrived as the Dow Jones Industrial Average hit a record high Wednesday.

CNN, 9 January 2024 reported Trump saying "I don’t want to be Herbert Hoover. The one president – I just don’t want to be Herbert Hoover". CNN followed that up by reminding the reader of the history that had Trump so worried:

"The US stock market crashed during former President Herbert Hoover’s first year in office in 1929, which signaled the beginning of the Great Depression." 

Hey, I took Trump's concerns as electioneering when I first read them. But maybe Donald Trump is as concerned about the fragility of the US economy as I am, and more explicit about it. And I refuse to be the guy who, by dismissing Trump's economic concerns as political showmanship, brings on that next great depression.

But I do love irony. Rolling Stone dismissed Trump's worries about another Great Depression by noting that the Dow Jones Industrial Average recently hit a record high. That remark remind me of an exceptionally good economist named Irving Fisher, whose misfortune it was to say the stock market had reached "what looks like a permanently high plateau" and to say it "just nine days before the Wall Street Crash of 1929".

Do not put a lick of faith in Rolling Stone's dismissal of Trump's concern. 

I should say at this point that the first thing I learned about Irving Fisher was his "permanently high plateau" remark, and that I spent most of my life not reading Fisher's work because of it. I don't want to do that to you. I recommend that you read the first three parag (or more) of Wikipedia's "Irving Fisher" article, and the first two parag -- plus Footnote 1 -- at Federal Reserve History's "Stock Market Crash of 1929".


One more brief but necessary tangent must be considered at this point. Musk wants to cut the federal budget. He says it will bring prosperity. That's not the way the economy works.

During the prosperity of the "Roaring Twenties," private sector debt grew faster than the federal debt. The prosperity lasted until excessive private sector debt choked it off. During the Great Depression and the Second World War, the federal debt grew faster than private-sector debt until private-sector debt reached a relative low that was low enough for prosperity to resume.

During the prosperity of the "Golden Age of Capitalism," private sector debt grew faster than the federal debt. And the prosperity lasted until excessive private sector debt choked it off. During the low productivity years of 1974-1994, the federal debt grew faster than private-sector debt until private-sector debt reached a relative low that was low enough for prosperity to resume.

During the prosperity of the "new economy" -- the latter half of the 1990s -- private sector debt grew faster than the federal debt. The prosperity lasted until excessive private sector debt choked off the housing boom. In the years since the financial crisis and the 2009 recession, federal debt has grown faster than private-sector debt, and will continue to do so until private-sector debt reaches a relative low that is low enough for prosperity to resume.

Given that this is how the economy works, to again achieve prosperity it is private-sector debt that must be reduced. If instead we focus on reducing the federal debt, we push prosperity further out into the future. If that troubles you, I'm sorry.

On February 18, 1981, newly elected President Ronald Reagan said

It is our basic belief that only by reducing the growth of government can we increase the growth of the economy

Since that time we have tried and failed to reduce the growth of government enough to bring economic growth up to a satisfactory level. We have tried because we think, as Reagan thought, that excessive federal debt is the problem that hinders growth. We have failed because it is excessive private-sector debt that hinders economic growth.


On the graph below, the blue line shows our accumulating federal debt since 1970. The red line is an exponential, constant-growth-rate trend line based on the blue-line data for the years 2001 to 2023:

Graph #2: Federal Debt 1970-2023 and the 2001-2023 Exponential Trend
From mine of 7 March 2024
The "below trend" data before the Great Recession runs from 2004 (or before) to 2008-09.

Federal debt in the 1970s ran close to the trend line even though the trend line is based on data for the year 2001 and later. Running close in the 1970s suggests that the trend line is good, and not far from the actual trend of the federal debt.

In the 1980s and early 1990s, federal debt rose above the trend. In the latter 1990s it returned to the trend line, and in the early 2000s went slightly below trend.

Around 2005, the federal debt began to go increasingly below the trend line, until mid-2008. The increase after that date shows the federal spending response to the financial crisis and great recession created by the tight money.

Again: Between 2000 and 2010, federal spending cuts helped bring the federal debt down to trend, then below trend, and then further below trend. And then we had the financial crisis. I cannot yet prove to my own satisfaction that federal debt going below trend was the sole cause of the financial crisis and great recession. But there is no doubt that it was at least a contributing cause of those troubles. And Friedman did say "necessary and sufficient."

Graph #1 shows "too little money" with the monetary base as the problem. Graph #2 shows "too little money" arising from too little federal deficit spending. You gotta love the irony.

Neither graph shows private-sector debt.

If we continue to choose not to reduce private sector debt, then to achieve prosperity we will have to have federal debt increase more rapidly than private-sector debt. The more rapidly federal debt gains on private-sector debt, the less time it will take to achieve prosperity. That is how the economy works, despite what people say.

But such prosperity would come at a very high level of private-sector debt. The prosperity would not last long: The increases in private-sector debt that accompany economic growth will create financial costs that drain vigor and life from prosperity. The better solution is to focus our attention on private-sector debt and put all our efforts into reducing it. 

Existing policy encourages us to accumulate debt. Instead, we need policy to help us accelerate the repayment of our debt.

 

To achieve prosperity we must reduce private debt relative to federal debt. To do this we could reduce private debt or increase federal debt, or both. But debt is costly, and the best option is always to reduce cost by reducing debt.

Our best option, therefore, is to reduce private-sector debt as rapidly as we can. That is what you need to know. When private-sector debt falls enough, prosperity will resume. Economic growth will be vigorous as in the latter 1990s, or better and longer-lasting if private debt starts from a lower level.

As private-sector debt falls and economic growth improves, there will be less need for federal programs that help people cope with a troubled economy. This means that a natural reduction in federal spending, rather than a forced reduction, is in the cards.


The graph below shows transaction money -- the money we spend -- relative to nominal GDP. Once again, the graph shows "too little money" in the years leading up to the financial crisis and great recession:

Graph #3: The Quantity of Transaction money per Dollar's Worth of Output
The low before the Great Recession runs from 2004 to 2009.

Fiscal and monetary policy cooperated, creating a substantial decline in the quantity of transaction money, from the record low of 2000-01 to an even lower level at which our economy could no longer function.

 "... substantial decline in the quantity of money is a necessary and sufficient condition for a major depression."

The evidence is overwhelming. 

Please do tell President-Elect Trump and Elon Musk, and anyone who will listen, the things I have shown you today.