Contrary to what I said in that post, I think this may be the graph Vivian linked:
It shows debt and GDP separately, not as the ratio I imagined.
In response to Vivian, Scott Sumner replied:
Vivian, Thanks for that graph. Here’s my prediction: 99% of people will misread that graph. Most will think it shows a debt bubble before the Great Depression. In fact it shows there was no debt bubble before the Depression.I think that might be the graph they were looking at, because the red line shows pretty dramatic increase from around 1922 to the Great Depression. Looks like a bubble to me. Also because Keen's caption for the graph is
Figure 1: Debt and GDP 1920–1940and he says
Figure 1 shows the scale of debt during the 1920s and 1930s, versus the level of nominal GDP.At Darkbloom's graphless link, for comparison, I find the caption
Figure 7: US Private Debt and Nominal GDP, 1920–1940and of this (missing) figure Keen says
Figure 7 illustrates both the rising debt of the 1920s and the falling debt of the 1930s.By Keen's descriptions, and Vivian's "a somewhat longer time-frame (back to 1920)" remark, the two figures could easily present the same graph.
The Point of this Post
Keen offers Figure 7 as evidence thatboth the boom of the 1920s and the slump of the Great Depression were caused by changing levels of debt in an economy that had become fundamentally speculative in nature. Rising debt used to finance speculation during the 1920s made that decade “The Roaring Twenties”, while private sector deleveraging when the speculative bubble burst caused a collapse in aggregate demand that ushered in the Great Depression in the 1930s.The economy "had become fundamentally speculative in nature", Keen says, and "debt [was] used to finance speculation during the 1920s". He also says "the speculative bubble burst", leading to the Great Depression. Keen sees a bubble before the Great Depression.
Scott Sumner, on the other hand, says of the graph that
Most [people] will think it shows a debt bubble before the Great Depression. In fact it shows there was no debt bubble before the Depression.Sumner's evidence is that he calls his opinion a fact.
1 comment:
Nah.
This graph will do. US Private Debt since 1920, as a Percent of GDP. Graph #3 at Forbes, in Note To Joe Stiglitz.
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